A thoughtful response…
This is a response I’ve written from a friends blog.
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=74844000&blogID=432317853
Overall I agree with much of what is being said, however, I think I do need to address a few points for clarification purposes.
You write…
“Sarah-Not sure who you are referring to when you speak of people losing respect for you for speaking out but your tone seems to indicate you think the shepherds might be among them. Nonsense! And you know it! They may not agree with you but they respect your right to think it and your ability to defend it. I most certainly welcome your perspective from the inside of one of the most complicated of the current political issues.”
The line you are referring too was something that took some deep thought and was not directly intended to be an attack on any one person. This is a blanket statement she made in context of her political “coming out” when she decided to not sit on the sidelines and make a firm statement of where she sits. The original draft did seem a bit like it was saying “He A-Holes…” but it was re-written for this reason. Obviously it was still taken somewhat that way, but it is meant to cover more than just the Attica people.
You write…
“Corey-Stop trying to bait Amanda. Discussion and debate among friends shouldn’t include barbs and direct antagonism. Some of your comments are downright insulting. You know her strong feelings on environmental issues and try to press those buttons. You frame her as a one issue voter, something you seem to dislike, while your wife also has a primary issue. You call yourself a centrist and yet take some very extreme positions. I respect that and the fact that you have thought each through on its own merits. Others would be more inclined to listen if comments didn’t include personal jabs.”
I do bait Amanda, but it is a valid attempt to get her (and others) to take a different look at the issues that they deem important. I know that at the end of the day I’m not going to convince her of anything, but if I can call some issues in question then maybe, just maybe, I can expand both views of the world (mine and hers, or whoever). I don’t believe I’ve ever been directly insulting (yes, I did call Amanda an ignorant slut once in the past, but it was a joke in reference to the old SNL weekend update) Anyway, I apologize if I have directly insulted her, but I don’t believe I have. She might not be a one issue voter, but I’ve never heard her say anything about other issues. Yes, Sarah is focused on healthcare and that is her primary focus but she also has knowledge of the other issues that I think she has (or is going to ) be writing about.
On my views of being in the center, that doesn’t mean I only split down the middle, I might pull from other ideological spheres. In reality I don’t think any of my positions are extreme. I don’t really advocate for the hunting of polar bears. I just want the market place to determine a lot more stuff than her. Again, I’d like to see the personal jabs that I’m being accused of.
(edit: Looking back over the last post I can see ideological jabs but nothing personal. Here are the only examples that I can find.
She is pro-environment but not wacko like some people
Wealth doesn’t equal elitism…a common liberal misconception.
I want flying cars Amanda, flying cars…they have to run on a light weight fuel…duh!)
In closing, I’m glad that you have strong feelings about your candidate, but I hope you truly believe in “the whole package” and not just a couple niche issues. I look forward to debating the issues sometime outside the personal attack rhetoric that seems to exist in both camps.
Ok, so there are the “attacks” as I can find them…yes I think Environmentalists are wackos….I just do. I don’t like the ideological sphere of liberalism as it is being used today…if you are offended by that statement then you need to get in touch with your inner self and really figure out what you feel (I don’t take being called a conservative as a pejorative term)…and I mean seriously…it’s the year 2008…where are my freaking flying cars already!!!
You write…
“Shepherds-Take a deep breath and see things for what they are! Corey tries to bait Amanda for fun. He starts these things for entertainment. He has yet to understand the true depth of Amanda’s passion for the issue and that for her it is on the level of a religious conviction. (I hope you are still reading Corey!) He will one day come to realize that telling holocaust jokes to a jew is in bad form. He sees the world through an entirely different prism than yours of scientific research. If you set aside the ill-fated attempts at humor the man has some exceptionally well thought out positions on social and economic issues that are worthy of friendly debate.”
I do understand her passionate depth and see the religious conviction…that’s what worries me. Your comparison of the environment to the holocaust is offensive (and I don’t tell jokes). Again, I too have done research and I too look at things scientifically…that statement does tend to irritate me.
I don’t try to irritate for humor really, I try to get people to think outside their comfort zones…if I agree with you or not I’m likely to take an opposite stance. I could write a very scathing blog about McCain and why Obama is the best…I’m not likely but I could. I will also agree that the Sheps do have a research leg up on me in the Environmental issues (they went to school for stuff like this) but I get so annoyed when I’m told “science says so, so anyone who disagrees is a heathen”…not those exact words but you get the idea.
You write…
“Wilsons and Shepherds-You don’t like each others’ candidates. Each of you thinks yours is what is best for the country and the world because both candidates have the same basic aims, just different ideas on how best to achieve them. I would be sad to see it happen but if you all decide to put down the political debate then do it because you agree to disagree and not because you are too pissed or tired of arguing to continue. You all want the same basic things. Your life experiences are simply different and have given you different perspectives.”
I agree! After the election one of these two men WILL be President…he will be MY President. One lesson my father taught me was that no matter your political beliefs the President is your President, for better or worse. You respect the office and support him when you can. Sure, you will disagree with him some (or a lot) but he represents the U.S. on a global scale. I think at times I get painted to be a Neo-Conservative Hardliner…I’m not…really. I think the recent debate we’ve been having has been more cordial than some in the past (since I don’t live in the same house as you guys I guess it might not end at the blog for you). I’ve stated this before too…the president is only one piece of the puzzle…if congress doesn’t go along with him then he can do very little. I think Obama is wrong for the country BUT I know he’s not going to ruin the country..in four years we get the chance to give him the ultimate on the job review.
That is what makes this country great! (BTW read this for more details on ideologies and such http://www.wilsonverse.com/?p=51 )
You write…
“For all of you-Always remember two things. I love you all dearly, each in your own unique way. (especially you Crystal my dear) And, these are the people you can always count on, the ones who will always be there, the ones who hurt when you hurt and rejoice in your successes. I don’t know if you all feel that way to the same degree I do but its the way my little part of this odd little world works so go reread the title of this blog, put a smile on and get on with your lives. I need some peace…and some sleep for that matter:)”
I’m not hugging you.
